tits > XX chromosomes


Hi there, so if you’ve been following my blog recently I decided to dive head first into the question of trans people, non-trans people and sexuality. Here’s two posts I wrote recently, one where I argued a Riley Jay Dennis perspective of the argument mostly just to see if people would still strawman the discussion hard. They did, more on that soon. And also here’s one directly asking the question are traps gay and trying to find an objective measure of that, spoiler, it wasn’t so easy.

If you want to avoid reading those here’s a quick recap of what was said:

  • Statements like “I don’t find trans people attractive” are based on prejudice about trans people and can be viewed as transphobia.
  • This is not the same as saying you have to suck someone’s dick.
  • Riley gets strawmanned hard in this argument.
  • Sex characteristics define sex, which is typically what sexuality is in reference to.
  • Sex characteristics aren’t necessarily wholly male or female in trans and intersex people.
  • Its hard to create an objective sexuality rule which is inclusive of trans people that doesn’t step on someone’s subjective lil toesies somewhere.
  • None of it really matters, we’re all going to die alone anyway.

Cool, we all caught up? Nice. Great. Lets continue.

Today’s blog post is going to be about sexual attraction and sex characteristics. As we discussed before, when people talk about sexuality they attempt to speak about in an objective manner and in reference to something seen as immutable; sex. This is all great and good when we have really strict dimorphism in a species. Its less easy for humans where we not only have overlap between the sexes, ie not very strict dimorphism and also a huge diversity of expressions too. This is an especially important point when it comes to trans people.

Trans people, once transitioned, are a mix of sex characteristics. Hormones create secondary sex characteristics and if you factor in genitals reassignment too you can very well make the argument that 3/5 of the defining characteristics of sex are set to female. But its unfair to say that we’re attracted to those in equal measures. Some really are just more important to sexual attraction than others.

For example, chromosomes are invisible. There is no way that chromosomes can really factor into sexual attraction at all. Both women born with XY chromosomes and men born with XX chromosomes exist – this fact tells you absolutely nothing about whether you would likely find that person attractive or not. My favourite visual representation of this is people with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome. Who are males who are born unable to process androgen hormones, meaning their fetuses never masculinise in the womb. The lady in that video is an XY male, born with a vagina and who has lived her whole life as a woman – is it gay to find her attractive?

If you want to be super semantic about chromosomes being the defining characteristics of sex and sex being what’s referenced in sexuality and so therefore yes its gay, sure. Do that. By all means that’s ‘accurate’ to a degree, but it isn’t the whole truth is it? It places a  heck of a lot of importance on her having XY chromosomes to the point where literally the rest of her body is almost entirely discounted as existing.

The rest of her body, as with most people with her condition is entirely feminised. Looks like the average woman’s body. It contains the hormones, secondary sex characteristics and genitals of the female sex, 3/5 like our trans women friends too. Below is a picture of a naked CAIS woman for reference and uhh science… I guess? Point being that if you think chromosomes are that important then finding this body sexually attractive makes you gay too. Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome (1)

well unless you say “no homo” anyway

To me this shows fully that the different parts of sex have different levels of importance when it comes to sexual attraction. A gay man is likely not going to find the above attractive, despite that body being XY male – just like how he likes right? I would definitely argue that secondary sex characteristics are far more important than primary for sexual attraction. Here’s a little thing I made to demonstrate my argument. Inb4 you get mad that I’ve waffled on about intersex for a while now and I’m now about to ignore it entirely for the sake of simplicity.

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But trust me, its going to make a lot more sense if I do ignore intersex for this very moment. I’ve put the 5 characteristics we use to determine sex on an iceberg of visibility. At the top is the most visible parts of sex, which I would argue is secondary sex characteristics. These are what draw people in, what makes them consider you sexually attractive enough to talk to. Eventually, you move on down the iceberg, and down the body into your prospective partner’s underwear to find genitals and gonads in typical males and just genitals in typical females – as you know… they don’t have external gonads like how males do.

This is why genital preferences do actually matter and this is where I disagree with Riley. I don’t think its necessarily transphobia to assume a trans woman still has her man-junk. And whereas what people actually say is stuff like “I would never date a trans woman” what they actually mean is “I don’t like dicks”. It’s a faulty assumption which causes a lot of issues with the semantic nature of this entire discussion, absolutely, but it isn’t unjustified when you consider what they actually mean. Genitals are very much key parts of the whole sexual experience and if you’re not into dicks fair enough, you don’t have to have sex with dicks.

This was just a quick shitpost/follow up to the discussion everyone’s been having recently. Some food for thought. Feel free to drop your comments below or hit me up on Twitter. And again: 

TO ANSWER OUR QUESTION, “ARE TRAPS GAY?” WE SHOULD ONLY EVER NEED TO REPLY WITH  “DOES IT MATTER? WHY CAN’T WE JUST FUCK WHO WE FIND ATTRACTIVE? WHAT’S WITH ALL THESE BULLSHIT EXTRA STEPS BETWEEN ME AND GETTING MY DICK/VAG WET?”

 

 

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