So I got approached by an activist working for a charity in Athens. Color Youth. They’re a LGBT group and from my brief glances over their website and lil trawl through the Google they seem like good people. I was asked to give a quick email interview about my thoughts on autogynephilia, which I’ve briefly spoken about before. I consider it to be the “flat earth theory” of trans, its a totally bogus idea and I figured you’d enjoy the interview. The interviewer has a Greek name I daren’t try to pronounce, but you can check out her Twitter over here.
Anyway, here’s the interview! Hope you enjoy. Ariadne is going to be giving her presentation on July 8th. No idea if I’ve any Greek followers or not, but its worth checking out if you are! I’ll update this post with more links after the event goes down.
Hi there, I’m Cursed. I started blogging just over a year ago, it was mostly just a space I could jot down my thoughts and ideas into. I opened a Twitter account to help advertise my blog a little, I remember for about the first 6 months I had only 30 followers and it was still so exciting. I got involved with the conversation more, and I got noticed more, apparently people really like the things I think. So that was pretty cool.
I like to talk about social issues and politics. One of the things I’ve said from the beginning is that I want to try and help further the discussion, whatever discussion that might be. Often that discussion is trans issues and what I’ve found is that there’s a lot of people working from misinformation. I also found that the discussion from within and around the “trans community” was pretty damn toxic. So it’s been a wild ride of trying to set those things straight, a little.
When did you first hear about autogynephilia?
Do you recall what your initial feelings and thoughts on the theory were?
It was just a joke we told each other [online]
What is your current opinion on autogynephilia?
Though that’s not to say it would even invalidate the “womanhood” of a trans woman who was AGP. The same way if a cis woman is AGP she isn’t invalidated by it. You could make the same venn diagram with [cis]women and AGP in it instead and it would look basically the same.
Has autogynephilia ever been used, by yourself and/or others, to invalidate you as a trans person, a woman and/or a human being?
Yes, often by radical feminists and their patsies. It’s a little silly really, they cling to this theory for dear life in the face of all the evidence to the contrary. It’s the very definition of confirmation bias. “Look at these 8 picture of trans women fetishising womanhood, clearly they’re all like this”. Kinda no different to “look at these 8 black people who stole things, all black people are thieves!” in my opinion.
Obviously both are stupid as heck.
What do you consider the most memorable claim or aspect of the theory?
Do you believe autogynephilia has a positive, negative or neutral effect on the way the public views trans people?
It’s often used to invalidate trans women and argue that they can’t be trusted around REAL WOMEN™ because we’re all just perverts right? Its definitely not something that helps our public image either. Especially when there’s a lot of confirmation bias out there for the idea, with lots of trans women taking an over the top interaction with femininity as their gender expression. By this I mean stuff like 70 year old trans women wearing leather miniskirts and stuff like that.
From an outside perspective I can see how they could see it that way? But I guess its not something you really think about very well from that outside perspective. As a trans woman thinking about why someone would dress that way, why someone would go over the top with femininity like that, I think you see it a little different. It’s like… like dipping your toes into a really cool swimming pool on a really hot day. It feels so good just to dip at first, but its not long before you jump in all the way. Sometimes people go in a bit too deep.
Have you ever discussed autogynephilia iwth other trans or cis people? If so what were their reactions?
What would be your response to someone calling themselves an autogynephile?
I don’t really put much stock in labels and what people call themselves if I’m honest. I’m more interested in the gooey insides than the packaging, you know? If that’s what someone thinks about themselves its really of no impact to me. Same way someone thinking the Earth is flat isn’t about to ruin my day either.
Do you believe sexuality and gender connect and/or interact with one another? If so why and how?
That’s it! I think if I was going to take away one thing from the whole discussion about trans I’ve been part of so far its that people really seem to want rules. They want generalised, simple rules that encompass everyone and can be applied universally, right across the spectrum of people. But… that’s really not how it works from what I can see. Human nature is too messy for that, we can probably make those rules generally speaking, but they’re not going to be useful in a lot of situations. 10%~ of the population that is LGBT is about 700million people worldwide, there’s no way that generalised rules could ever fully account for everyone.
This was a lot of fun, thanks Ariadne for picking me! 🙂 If anyone else is interested in doing this kind of thing, feel free to drop me a DM on the ol’ Twitteroo or a comment down in the comment section below~~~