You knew this was coming. Don’t even act surprised. Though this one is probably going to be a little bit more pointed than usual, I suppose? Its going to be hard to maintain objectivity and not lay into Blaire harder than I usually would because just recently she smeared me in front of her 110,000 followers. Claiming I’d spend days calling her the anti-christ, when I hadn’t, and telling me off for DM’ing her, after she told me off for not DM’ing her previously. Then of course, blocking me.
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t at least a little bit upset by this, I’d really tried to be honest and genuine with her about my criticisms. I’ve never called her the anti-christ or even said I don’t like her as a person. To be absolutely frank? I’ve let her say some really shitty things to me and let it slip for the sake of trying to maintain our relationship so that I could continue to actually get responses for my criticisms. Rather than turning it into a shit show of insult flinging. I’ve been more than forgiving of Blaire’s bullshit. Not today.
With that little disclaimer out of the way, lets get this show on the road! This is the first time I’ve ever experienced Contra, and he seemed a little reserved with his arguments. Though I still think he made some really amazing points that are definitely worthy of discussion. Blaire too, made some good points, though they’re massively overshadowed by the enormous lies she told, more on that as they come up. Here goes.
Contra: I’m curious to know what being transgender even means to you. Because before I start criticising your view; I feel like maybe you’ve changed recently from a position where you used to kind of say “being trans is a biological feature of neurology and psychology and lately you’ve said a few times that you characterise being trans as an impersonation or caricature.
Straight out of the gate. Boom! Its not even that recently. If you cast your minds back to my blog post on the Laci Green x Blaire White stream, you may remember that Blaire White said the following:
9:42 – 10:20
Blaire: Its very common within feminist spheres to argue that there is a lack of differences between males and females neurologically and that gender is entirely socially constructed – and really what that reduces transgender people [down] to is performance of a gender. Rather than behaving in a way that their biology and neurology is fuelling them to behave. Which is what I believe and I have a lot of sources to back that up. That its not just one day you wake up and you’re like “I wanna be this!” You’re biologically fuelled to feel that way.
Then later in that same video went on to say:
Laci: You don’t feel like you’re actually a woman?
Blaire: No, no, not technically. I think that socially [and] through medical science, and living in the west I’m able to fill the role of one. Perhaps the word “caricature” has a negative connotation to people, but I think that when you’re a transsexual your life is kind of as a caricature.
Laci: I don’t see your life as a caricature.
She flipped on a dime from, “its a neurological imperative” to “Its all just a performance”. She has doubled and tripled and quadrupled down on the latter recently. Which resulted in a massive argument on Twitter between her and Theryn. Also I was there, but she had me muted. Lol. So much for the tolerant something something.
Blaire: So I think you have a few misconceptions about my views on transgenderism. When I say that you are, you know, assuming the characteristics of a woman. I don’t mean an impersonator, like a clown or like you’re an act in that sense. I mean that when you undergo undergo hormone therapy, when you consume synthetic hormones when you undergo surgeries to alter your bones or you implant silicon in your self to obtain a biological feature that is impossible for you otherwise. That is imitating body parts that are biologically impossible for you.
So for me its more of a stepping outside of myself being able to concede the fact that of course, I am biologically male. But in the pursuit of my own happiness I choose to transition; to assume characteristics that are not natural for me.
The issue is really the words you’re using to describe it. It can only possibly lead to misunderstandings of what you’re saying and give license to people to mistreat and hate on trans people. When you say imitate, you’re implying its not real, that its all just fake, that is is just a performance. Try and imitate your friend right now without A) being fake and B) giving a performance. You literally can’t. That’s the very nature of the word imitate.
You don’t have to deny that you’re biologically male. I don’t. I don’t think my womanhood is an imitation, I don’t see my self as “kinda a caricature” and if I did – I doubt I would have ever transitioned at all. I am wholeheartedly in the belief that I’m a woman, and I can objectively verify that my brain has female sexed regions if I wanted to pay for an MRI.
At what point did we start looking at people and saying its what you are that matters, not who you are? Isn’t that collectivism in a nutshell? Doesn’t that lead down the path of radical feminism, white nationalism and #blacklivesmatter? If your body matters more than your mind, then those three things above are correct and totally justified, are they not?
Obviously not. The mind matters significantly more than the body when we’re deciding nuanced and complex things like this. I can concede that for snap judgements in the street etc, you’re right – we judge by the body. But for anything more hands-on than that, judging by the body rather than the mind becomes sexist, racist, or transphobic.
As for imitating body parts. You can’t imitate what you are – and if you’re a woman, wanting to take part in the social stereotypes of women doesn’t make you any less of a real woman or any more of a real woman either. If that were true we’d have license to say radical feminists aren’t real women, or that women who want breast implants are just trying to imitate real women. The idea of using the word imitation and caricature in this context is totally unreasonable.
Blaire: I don’t think I’ve ever called it impersonation.
Yes you have. Do you not even understand synonyms!? Below are some synonyms of imitate, circled in red are the ones you’ve actually said.
Just have a good hard look at what the words your using actually mean before you go using them and doubling down on them when people call you on your shit. Christ.
Blaire: I prefer to differentiate between trans women and women because they are different
In some very insignificant ways. People treat you as a woman Blaire, because you are a woman, in every way that counts for general social interaction. There’s a need for differentiation in certain circumstances, yes. But not in any of the contexts you’ve been doing it in.
Contra: In what sense are you fully biological male if you’ve undergone hormone replacement therapy? In some senses you have the sexual characteristics of a woman, so why insist on this, born male at birth and that can never be changed thing. When you can and do change your biology.
Blaire: You can change some aspects of your biology, but you can’t alter the fact that you were born male and will die male.
Contra makes a good point here. Are we saying that Blaire’s breasts are male breasts? Is that what we’re saying here? The idea that your biology is really strict and rigid is kinda silly, especially when you’re talking about trans people who literally medicate their biology into changing to minimise dysphoria. If you combine this with the idea of neurologically sexed brains you get a fairly incomplete picture of sex. There’s no right answer on whether a trans woman, who has gone through transition, is male or female.
In fact, I’d go as far as to argue that if you took a trans woman to a doctor in all guy clothes and said “look there’s something wrong about my body” – he’d straight diagnose you with an intersex condition of some sort. Because at a medical level, our bodies are pretty damn intersexed as a result of transition.
You can’t change reproductive systems and you can’t change chromosomes. But neither of these are unique to either sex exactly. Intersex conditions do exist and effect both of these – so if we can see that there are exceptions elsewhere, why do we not afford exceptions for trans people? What makes us so different that we have to be biologically essentialist about it?
Blaire: Why do I insist on this? Because there’s a lot of people online who would never concede that trans women are biologically male.
Well that explains why you went off on one at Theryn Meyer. Who totally believes trans women aren’t biologically male, RRRRRIIIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTT?? (No, she doesn’t.)
Blaire: If you go to a doctor, looking to transition, or an endocrinologist. You’re going to say you’re going male to female. Or female to male.
Except how you just said you can’t do that? Right? Your biology just stays the same as it always is, right?
Blaire: We also live in a society where people, most people are kind enough to, to where if they see someone who is male to female transsexual they’re just gonna as a woman because that’s how it works. But there’s a difference between people affording kindness to you and referring to you as a pronoun that is not that of your biological sex and you actually changing something.
I spoke about this kindness crap in the Laci stream too, but I’ll quickly rehash it here. Medical treatment is not given to you because its a kindness to do so. Its done because its the right thing to do. Is insulin a kindness to diabetics? Would we say chemo is a kindness for cancer?
The idea that its done as a kindness is so self-depricating and leads to the idea that its a privilege afforded to us, and that it can be taken away if people just decide they’re not down for it any more. That’s stupidly irresponsible and dangerous to say.
Jesus Christ, watching her flip-flop on her points is kinda embarrassing. Its like she doesn’t actually think about this stuff at all.
Also. Pronouns don’t belong to biological sexes. They belong to genders. For most people gender and sex are the same, but for trans people they aren’t. This is literally the entire point of what being trans is.
Blaire: [The definition of gender dysphoria is] the mechanism in which someone actually identifies as something they are not.
By this logic, otherkin are now gender dysphoric.
Blaire’s understanding of gender dysphoria here is very simplistic. There’s a lot of nuance to be had here, and its important to remember the cause of gender dysphoria when discussing it. A biological male who is trans was never a man in their brain – their brain is sexed female according to neurology. So therefore they aren’t transitioning to something they aren’t, they’re transitioning to something they are.
We change our bodies to match our brains – because we can’t do it the other way around.
Blaire: Gender dysphoria is binary
No it isn’t. Non-binary people are included in gender dysphoria as I explained here in my blog post.
Blaire: Transsexual is biological, non-binary is not.
But they’re both gender dysphoria – its just a different way of handling it. So they’re both biological.
Contra: I don’t actually understand the “you can’t have a vagina” I don’t understand what this language is accomplishing.
I also wrote about people calling their genitals whatever they want in a post here. Short story though, dictating to other people what they call their genitals is dumb. Though I must concede, a fauxgina isn’t the same as a vagina. There are differences – which medical science is doing an amazing job at closing down. For example, if I recall correctly, they self-lubricate now, which Blaire doesn’t know about judging by her response to this point.
Blaire: I’ve never described a trans woman as an imitator. I just haven’t.
You said they imitate, ergo they are imitators.
Someone who drums is a drummer.
This is how words work.
Blaire: That word caricature was used in the middle of a 3 hour live stream, and I can admit it wasn’t the best word to use.
Remember this moment gang, Blaire White admitted she was wrong about something – sort of.
Blaire: I don’t call transsexuals by a gender they don’t want to be called. I think that’s rude
Blaire: I don’t misgender transsexuals
I also have another example which happened in a DM group – but I won’t screenshot that. TLDR She called another trans woman a man because she was mad at her. Seems like misgendering is fine by Blaire as and when she decides it is.
Blaire: I will tell you right now; the day Riley Dennis goes on hormones, the day Riley dennis puts on a female article of clothing that’s not a jersey like he wears in every video
Blaire: [On Riley Jay Dennis’ pronouns] Its kinda like you telling an African American to respect Rachel Dolezal as an African American.
This logic is the exact same logic used to restrict trans rights and stop us from being able to enter bathrooms or changing rooms. The fact she’s using it to exclude someone from the definition of trans is just… so damn ironic. I can’t even.
Its even less of a good example when her argument is that Riley hasn’t transitioned so doesn’t deserve to be called trans; whereas Rachel Dolezal you could argue has “transitioned” to black and live(d) her every day life as a black woman. It wasn’t until the scandal happened that it was revealed she wasn’t actually black, right?
Blaire: I’ve never talked about passing.
Blaire: I’ve never seen Riley Jay Dennis wear female clothes
Contra: What is the difference between a female and male article of clothing?
Blaire: Girl there are clothes designated for men and women, okay. And part of transitioning…
Contra: This puts the entire burden onto expression as opposed to psychology or even biology. If someone’s taking hormone but still wears men’s clothes, I don’t see why that is a big thing for you.
Blaire: Its a big thing because I’ve lived my life as a transsexual and I know how this works.
This reminds me of the story of the UK Miss Transgender competition. Where the winner had her crown revoked by the organiser of the contest because “she wore male clothes while working out, and so wasn’t really trans”. I shit you the fuck not.
This is part of the trans purity test that I want to write about in the next few days. Suffice to say, I think its bullshit and needless to bother deciding who is *really* trans or not. I advocate personally for a separation between those who suffer dysphoria and those who don’t, but I don’t really care if you use the word trans for yourself.
Not gonna bother to quote this part. But tldr its the part about Zinnia Jones saying Blaire is enacting trans genocide, then Blaire getting upset about that and lashing out with personal attacks.
OH THE IRONY. IS IT MAYBE THAT YOU DON’T LIKE THE WORD SHE’S USING? YOU THINK SHE SHOULD USE A DIFFERENT WORD BECAUSE OF YOUR FEELINGS? WHY ARE YOU PUTTING A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION ON IT FOR HER? YOU KNOW HOW YOU COMPLAINED ABOUT PEOPLE DOING TO YOU RE: IMITATION?
Fuck. Blaire White is so inconsistent it hurts.
Blaire: When I transitioned I was 20 years old, and I’m lucky that I haven’t developed that many male characteristics
She knows this, yet she still refuses to allow puberty blockers? I just don’t get it.
Blaire: …. so if there was an alternative [to transitioning at 20 as a 6’5″ line backer] that would be amazing.
There is, puberty blockers.
Blaire: The meanest thing I’ve ever done is put a picture of Voldemort over Riley’s Adam’s apple.
It’s not really the quality of the mean that matters, its the quantity. You’re a bitch, constantly. You delete tweets so that its harder for people to prove it, but luckily for me people have wisened up to your shit and now take lots of archives when you do it. Like this one for example:
Blaire: Doctors won’t tie the tubes of 20 year olds because its irresponsible and they might want kids.
But there are doctors who do tie the tubes of 20 year olds. So this isn’t a great point.
Blaire: I’ve never said puberty blockers sterilise
Except you did, and tried to grandstand me about it in front of your followers. I don’t have the screenshots with your tweets in, but I do have the remnants of the conversation. Ie My tweets.
[The argument about sterilisation]
On the one hand, sterilisation is a pretty serious consequence of transition – however, if its going to happen at 20 years old anyway – as with Blaire’s own transition, then why bother waiting? Like Blaire said earlier, not everyone is lucky enough to not go through a puberty that wrecks them and ruins their chances of being accepted as a woman. All of the suffering caused by this comes down to puberty.
We know that trans people will transition regardless, even if they’re 6’5 and a line backer with a rug of back hair on their back, as Blaire said earlier. So why make them wait until they get to that point? Why enforce an arbitrary rule upon them that is going to severely negatively affect them in both physical and mental regards? It makes absolutely no sense to put having a kid on this podium for trans people if the end result is still going to be sterility. Especially when one end result has massive benefits compared to the other. It’s completely irrational.
Blaire: Its like saying kids need to be on antidepressants, but it will blind them – but that’s better than them killing themselves.
That’s so not what it’s like at all. This massively disingenuous. Many people are born without the ability to have children and it doesn’t have such a profoundly huge impact on their life like how blindness would. Holy shit.
Blaire: There’s a huge and recent surge of kids being referred to gender clinics. To get referrals to medically transition. Stephen Stathis who runs a children’s hospital which doubles as a gender clinic in Australia says:
He says a lot of things, and the article you’re reading is likely The Daily Wire one which misses out some key information from the original article on The Courier.
Here’s what they left out and its pretty important:
The psychiatrist has also seen transgender children so desperate to start puberty blockers then progress to irreversible hormone treatment they harm themselves.
“I’ve seen genital mutilation, some who try to cut off their penis,’’ he said.
‘‘The thought of touching their genitals is so abhorrent they don’t wash them and get infections.’’
At the end of last year, there was a two-year waiting list of 100 children wanting to be assessed at the hospital. With state funding, the wait is now down to three or four months, and the new gender service has seen more than 60 patients since December.
See? Huge? Its 160 children in total. Its hardly like thousands of kids are flocking to the services for help.
Blaire:...[cont] In Nottingham there’s been a 28 fold increase in referrals in the past 8 years. In London the referrals have quadrupled.
And neither of these services are for kids. They’re for adults. The children’s services is in Tavistock (that’s in Devon) ((Devon isn’t in London)) (((Or Nottingham)))) and is the only one in my country that deals with people under 16. Here’s a link. Though there may be one in Scotland I’ve missed.
Blaire: Hormones cause people to die earlier than others
Blaire: With cross sex hormones you’re really fucking with the bone density of a male to female transsexual…
Women have less bone density than men; stop the fucking presses.
All in all, Blaire seems to have a really limited understanding of the things she talks about. I’ve said this before – she’s either wilfully misunderstanding and misrepresenting stuff for a purpose, or she’s just too lazy to actually research it. I don’t think these chats she’s been doing recently or her explosions on Twitter have really changed that stance for me.
She holds on to bad rhetoric like the “we don’t let kids get tattoos” rhetoric or the “you’re sterilising them!!!!!” rhetoric and refuses to see any criticism of that idea as valid, because it doesn’t support her bias. Yet she has the tenacity to sit there and act like everyone else is being abusive to children and are morally repugnant. All while arguing for forcing kids to go through the a shitty puberty that she herself didn’t like with a high chance of them coming out the end looking like a 6’5″ line backer and not having a chance of being accepted as who you are.
Nearly all of the problems trans women face as adults come down to puberty and how little it fucked them – unless we take that out of the equation altogether with blockers. So what’s the argument for making them do that? Why inflict decades of mental anguish upon people when we have a better way?
In short, her perspective on everything discussed has no consistency with the other things she said, relies on faulty rhetoric and lies. It doesn’t take into account any of the actual information out there, just her preconceptions of it, and yet people still take her seriously and act like she’s rational and reasonable? She isn’t. She’s emotional and irrational, all the damn time.
Honestly I wish Contra had said more stuff that I could criticise because this looks like I’ve just gone for Blaire pretty badly. But genuinely, what Contra was saying wasn’t misinformed, and he provided sources for a lot of it.
This took so fucking long to write. Jesus Christ. Someone send it to Blaire for me because she blocked me? Thanks.